Comments on: Dear Dudely #3 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/ We're Blathering About... Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:01:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: greatspiritmonk http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-1113 greatspiritmonk Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:07:17 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-1113 Great comment dude. Very cool. And quite correct. Great comment dude. Very cool. And quite correct.

]]> By: Ed Churchman http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-1111 Ed Churchman Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:13:16 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-1111 I know I'm about 11 months behind on the argument, but as it's a few thousand years old, maybe I'm not THAT late. I think, being a life-long vegetarian, yeah, that's since birth, man, I can perhaps shed some light on my own particular side of this debate: It's not wrong to eat meat, but it is, in my opinion, wrong to kill for meat. But there are degrees that go with this, like, humane killing as opposed to intensive pen-breeding and automated killing. A lot of meat production is just soul-less, and that I cannot abide. I mean, look, the Buddha himself ate meat, but he didn't kill, and he didn't want it killed on his behalf, but animals that had already been killed, or died of natural or unfortunate causes were AOK in his book. I believe there was a mention in the feeback of meat substitutes. Well, it's been brought to my attention in the past by my special lady, who is a vege-convert, that the US meat industry has managed to put the kibosh on Quorn over there, somehow arguing it was unsafe. As a regualr Quorn-quaffer, I've never had any problems that I'm aware of, and there's nothing like a good measure of fried tofu in garlic salt to accomany your fresh egg-noodles, man, oh no. Don't listen to The Man, he lies like a hairy fish, he's undude. I do admit some schadenfreude when I see news stories about how eating too much meat has now been found to increase cancer chances or whatnot. My parents have been vege for over half their lives, so they're pretty good for it, but my future in-laws are both severely diabetic and do love the meat. But, based on the example of their daughter, and how her health has improved in the last three years since she started phasing meat out, they're cutting back, and even having meat-free days in the week. But, yeah, it might taste good to you, and that's cool from a Dudeist point of view, but, you know, maybe you'll be happier without self-inflicted health issues you might end up causing yourself. Consider it, that's all I say, it might be the path you enjoy in the long-run. Either way, it's cool, as long as you're not drowning marmots in your tub and spitroasting them at your next BBQ. I know I’m about 11 months behind on the argument, but as it’s a few thousand years old, maybe I’m not THAT late. I think, being a life-long vegetarian, yeah, that’s since birth, man, I can perhaps shed some light on my own particular side of this debate:

It’s not wrong to eat meat, but it is, in my opinion, wrong to kill for meat. But there are degrees that go with this, like, humane killing as opposed to intensive pen-breeding and automated killing. A lot of meat production is just soul-less, and that I cannot abide. I mean, look, the Buddha himself ate meat, but he didn’t kill, and he didn’t want it killed on his behalf, but animals that had already been killed, or died of natural or unfortunate causes were AOK in his book.

I believe there was a mention in the feeback of meat substitutes. Well, it’s been brought to my attention in the past by my special lady, who is a vege-convert, that the US meat industry has managed to put the kibosh on Quorn over there, somehow arguing it was unsafe. As a regualr Quorn-quaffer, I’ve never had any problems that I’m aware of, and there’s nothing like a good measure of fried tofu in garlic salt to accomany your fresh egg-noodles, man, oh no. Don’t listen to The Man, he lies like a hairy fish, he’s undude.

I do admit some schadenfreude when I see news stories about how eating too much meat has now been found to increase cancer chances or whatnot. My parents have been vege for over half their lives, so they’re pretty good for it, but my future in-laws are both severely diabetic and do love the meat. But, based on the example of their daughter, and how her health has improved in the last three years since she started phasing meat out, they’re cutting back, and even having meat-free days in the week.

But, yeah, it might taste good to you, and that’s cool from a Dudeist point of view, but, you know, maybe you’ll be happier without self-inflicted health issues you might end up causing yourself.

Consider it, that’s all I say, it might be the path you enjoy in the long-run. Either way, it’s cool, as long as you’re not drowning marmots in your tub and spitroasting them at your next BBQ.

]]> By: naturedude http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-1063 naturedude Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:36:25 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-1063 regardless of your carnivorous persuasions, the In and Out grilled cheese 'Animal Style' (lots of grilled onions and pickles) is really, really tasty! regardless of your carnivorous persuasions, the In and Out grilled cheese ‘Animal Style’ (lots of grilled onions and pickles) is really, really tasty!

]]> By: Father Frost http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-968 Father Frost Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:06:50 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-968 my person view and that of my doctor is that eating meat is natural and thus we should do it as doing unnatural stuff is stressful and being stressed is not for dudes my person view and that of my doctor is that eating meat is natural and thus we should do it as doing unnatural stuff is stressful and being stressed is not for dudes

]]> By: greatspiritmonk http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-923 greatspiritmonk Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:51:08 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-923 Well, plants do feel pain and if you cut them they loose blood like we do. And they have pain receptor as much as they are able to follow the sun(sunflower). Carnivore plants can even make some movements. And some experiments demonstrate that plants also like music. Not the f*****g Eagles though. You're right, human beings cannot live without killing, tears or not. But at the end don't we give it all back to nature when we die? We are eaten too, and even if your ashes are spread into the sea you still give back some minerals. I think it all comes down to respect for nature as a whole. For this my opinion is to learn from American Indians, one of the greater Dudeist population, and their way of living and respecting life. Btw meat, fish, eggs, fruit, vegs and nuts was our diet before we begun to grow grains, and it is said to be the diet we are made to follow to be healthy. Never heard of Carbs Mafia? And, to add a bit to your comment: if you are really hungry even a rat is fine. I dig your style. Well, plants do feel pain and if you cut them they loose blood like we do. And they have pain receptor as much as they are able to follow the sun(sunflower). Carnivore plants can even make some movements. And some experiments demonstrate that plants also like music. Not the f*****g Eagles though. You’re right, human beings cannot live without killing, tears or not. But at the end don’t we give it all back to nature when we die? We are eaten too, and even if your ashes are spread into the sea you still give back some minerals. I think it all comes down to respect for nature as a whole. For this my opinion is to learn from American Indians, one of the greater Dudeist population, and their way of living and respecting life.

Btw meat, fish, eggs, fruit, vegs and nuts was our diet before we begun to grow grains, and it is said to be the diet we are made to follow to be healthy. Never heard of Carbs Mafia?
And, to add a bit to your comment: if you are really hungry even a rat is fine.

I dig your style.

]]> By: Rev Wendy http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-921 Rev Wendy Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:14:44 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-921 what was it...plants , trees, etc, have no nerve endings..so therefore cannot feel pain ... anyhow. my personal stance: if there were no grocery stores you can be sure as shit i'd chase after, bludgeon, decapitate, skin, and gut...then roast and devour, whatever the hell I could get my hands on. I'd also pick a lot of fruit and eat whatever veggies I came across: same for eggs. I don't know if I'd walk up to a cow and squirt in order to make my causasians but who knows. Meanwhile, in my time and place: others do it for me. Have we all seen "Earthlings" ? Good documentary. My friend and her husband went totally veggo after watching that and are almost vegan. I'm too lazy. Plus I have one kid that is a total carnivore and one that won't even come within sniffing distance of meat...I just eat whatever scraps I can afford after catering to the two of THEM Plus carbs are not my friend. Not potatoey or bready carbs anyhow. Meat is so low carb and pretty low cal too.... To quote a very Dudeish author , Mr. Daniel Quinn "There is no one right way for people to live." what was it…plants , trees, etc, have no nerve endings..so therefore cannot feel pain …
anyhow. my personal stance: if there were no grocery stores you can be sure as shit i’d chase after, bludgeon, decapitate, skin, and gut…then roast and devour, whatever the hell I could get my hands on. I’d also pick a lot of fruit and eat whatever veggies I came across: same for eggs. I don’t know if I’d walk up to a cow and squirt in order to make my causasians but who knows.
Meanwhile, in my time and place: others do it for me. Have we all seen “Earthlings” ? Good documentary. My friend and her husband went totally veggo after watching that and are almost vegan. I’m too lazy. Plus I have one kid that is a total carnivore and one that won’t even come within sniffing distance of meat…I just eat whatever scraps I can afford after catering to the two of THEM
Plus carbs are not my friend. Not potatoey or bready carbs anyhow. Meat is so low carb and pretty low cal too….
To quote a very Dudeish author , Mr. Daniel Quinn “There is no one right way for people to live.”

]]> By: greatspiritmonk http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-917 greatspiritmonk Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:05:56 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-917 Funny comments, and quite wise, so I thought to drop a line too. Biologically speaking human beings are omnivore, just like bears. We don't have three stomachs like cows to digest grass nor their teeth. As an example we are unable to digest soy unless treated chemically or naturally (for some months). Good proteins are found in meat, fish, eggs and cheese, to eat the same amount of protein in the average steak you must eat more than 500gr of rice and beans, and then a lot of carbon to avoid killing someone with your "inner air". A lot of work for your stomach. And, without any offence, and from personal family experience there is a great difference in body type from vegan people and meat eaters; the reason why in Italy in the forties we had an average height of 150-160 cm and now of 170-180 cm. And as the last point meat leaves almost no "residuals" in your intestine as it is almost completely digested. But this is also the reason why eating chemically treated meat is so dangerous for us, we absorb everything the animal has eaten. Hormones, medicine, chemicals and so on. From a "phylosofical" point of view I think the main point is that animals cry when killed while fishes and vegetables do not. But I guess they suffer too. The only way to do no harm is to live on eggs, cheese, fruit and vegetables like peppers or tomatoes, but I guess the lifespan wouldn't be too long. JCD in the Gospel of Thomas said that it's what goes out from mouth that can pollute you, not what you eat; and I agree with him. The point is Respect. We should respect fellow animals, and the Earth, as we should do with our fellow human beings. Growing up chickens in an A4 size cage or a pig in square meter cage is something that should lead to some year of prison for each animal. The best way to deal with this is the one used in Lapland with reindeers: handlers use a silenced rifle and hit the target without a noise, the pack goes on and then they pick the animals. Of course this isn't possible to give low cost meat to 6,6 billions people but I guess we should all eat fish twice a week, meat twice and then add some eggs and cheese. Good for us and good for Nature. Funny comments, and quite wise, so I thought to drop a line too.
Biologically speaking human beings are omnivore, just like bears. We don’t have three stomachs like cows to digest grass nor their teeth. As an example we are unable to digest soy unless treated chemically or naturally (for some months). Good proteins are found in meat, fish, eggs and cheese, to eat the same amount of protein in the average steak you must eat more than 500gr of rice and beans, and then a lot of carbon to avoid killing someone with your “inner air”. A lot of work for your stomach. And, without any offence, and from personal family experience there is a great difference in body type from vegan people and meat eaters; the reason why in Italy in the forties we had an average height of 150-160 cm and now of 170-180 cm. And as the last point meat leaves almost no “residuals” in your intestine as it is almost completely digested. But this is also the reason why eating chemically treated meat is so dangerous for us, we absorb everything the animal has eaten. Hormones, medicine, chemicals and so on.
From a “phylosofical” point of view I think the main point is that animals cry when killed while fishes and vegetables do not. But I guess they suffer too. The only way to do no harm is to live on eggs, cheese, fruit and vegetables like peppers or tomatoes, but I guess the lifespan wouldn’t be too long.

JCD in the Gospel of Thomas said that it’s what goes out from mouth that can pollute you, not what you eat; and I agree with him.
The point is Respect. We should respect fellow animals, and the Earth, as we should do with our fellow human beings. Growing up chickens in an A4 size cage or a pig in square meter cage is something that should lead to some year of prison for each animal. The best way to deal with this is the one used in Lapland with reindeers: handlers use a silenced rifle and hit the target without a noise, the pack goes on and then they pick the animals. Of course this isn’t possible to give low cost meat to 6,6 billions people but I guess we should all eat fish twice a week, meat twice and then add some eggs and cheese. Good for us and good for Nature.

]]> By: The Dudely Lama http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-755 The Dudely Lama Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:59:59 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-755 Smugness is a very undude attribute, indeed. I think we can all agree that people who claim the moral high ground in situations where there are many sides to the argument - strands to keep in old Duder's head - are a pain in the arschloch. That being said, I do think the cabbage fascists out there do have a point. I myself am not nor have I ever been a vegetarian but I consider it a weakness that I don't stop eating meat. Not a weakness in everyone, mind you - just myself. See, when I get a double-double In-N-Out burger in front of me my soul cries out for it so loud that I can't even begin to hear the (very) distant misery of factory farmed animals. Then I eat it compulsively and with joy. Oh yes. What's a poor boy sandwich to do? Smugness is a very undude attribute, indeed. I think we can all agree that people who claim the moral high ground in situations where there are many sides to the argument – strands to keep in old Duder’s head – are a pain in the arschloch.

That being said, I do think the cabbage fascists out there do have a point. I myself am not nor have I ever been a vegetarian but I consider it a weakness that I don’t stop eating meat. Not a weakness in everyone, mind you – just myself.

See, when I get a double-double In-N-Out burger in front of me my soul cries out for it so loud that I can’t even begin to hear the (very) distant misery of factory farmed animals.

Then I eat it compulsively and with joy. Oh yes.

What’s a poor boy sandwich to do?

]]> By: DudeColt http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-754 DudeColt Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:36:00 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-754 Dude1967 if you lived near me I'd buy you a WHite Russian. I too have had many vegetarians give me shit for eating meat. But I take comfort in the fact that their attitude proves that they are not true Dudeists, just a bunch of veggie munching reactionaries. Dude1967 if you lived near me I’d buy you a WHite Russian. I too have had many vegetarians give me shit for eating meat. But I take comfort in the fact that their attitude proves that they are not true Dudeists, just a bunch of veggie munching reactionaries.

]]> By: Dude1967 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-753 Dude1967 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:58:50 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-753 My personal belief with respec to the whole vegetarian vs. carnivore debate is that there is nothing wrong with eating meat. In my younger years, I was a practicing vegetarian, and although I felt a little better about myself, I couldn't get past my love for a nice piece of cooked animal flesh. Does this make me a bad person? I hope not. Also, I found that when I was a vegetarian, there were some issues in regards to, in the parlance of our times, farting. Also, I found that the "I'm morally superior to you because I don't eat meat" attitude that a lot of vegetarians tend to have was something I found very offensive. Why be so uptight with your thinking? But that's just, like, my opinion, man. My personal belief with respec to the whole vegetarian vs. carnivore debate is that there is nothing wrong with eating meat. In my younger years, I was a practicing vegetarian, and although I felt a little better about myself, I couldn’t get past my love for a nice piece of cooked animal flesh. Does this make me a bad person? I hope not. Also, I found that when I was a vegetarian, there were some issues in regards to, in the parlance of our times, farting. Also, I found that the “I’m morally superior to you because I don’t eat meat” attitude that a lot of vegetarians tend to have was something I found very offensive. Why be so uptight with your thinking? But that’s just, like, my opinion, man.

]]> By: theveggiedudeist http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-684 theveggiedudeist Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:37:02 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-684 I think people should eat whatever they want to eat - and if you're a person that eats or wants to eat a lot of vegetarian food, my laid-back site might be helpful (information, recipes, etc): http://theveggiedudeist.webs.com/ Peace y'all. I think people should eat whatever they want to eat – and if you’re a person that eats or wants to eat a lot of vegetarian food, my laid-back site might be helpful (information, recipes, etc): http://theveggiedudeist.webs.com/

Peace y’all.

]]> By: DudeColt http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-645 DudeColt Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:24:01 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-645 I just spilled milk all over the damn computer laughing at Irish Monk's ex's delimna BUT i also did a little research and can find no evidence that Viking men lactated. I mean come on! "I Erik the Red will conquer you weaker people and...oh hold on i have to breast feed first" I just spilled milk all over the damn computer laughing at Irish Monk’s ex’s delimna BUT i also did a little research and can find no evidence that Viking men lactated. I mean come on! “I Erik the Red will conquer you weaker people and…oh hold on i have to breast feed first”

]]> By: Irish Monk http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-640 Irish Monk Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:28:54 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-640 Fuck that, dudes! Have you ever been with a lactating woman when she's got a blocked milk duct? Picture having to take a really big piss but first you've got to knead a deep swollen obstruction all the way down your johnson with your fingers. And having to regularly use a breast pump so you didn't dry up? That ain't fun either. My ex was convinced that Viking men could lactate but she could never find her source to prove it to me. Anyone else ever heard of breastfeeding Vikings? Aw, look at me...I'm ramblin' again. I just wanted to thank the El Lamarino for his thoughtful reply. I never read any of these replies until I noticed this in the Most Discussed column today. And for the record I agree with not eating our fellow mammals (mostly for ecological reasons for myself). But it is a standard that I've never lived up to. I had McDonalds yesterday, for Maude's sake! To get back to what Brother Art was saying about 7 comments back, I too once dabbled in raising and butchering my own meat. I had two female New Zealand White rabbits and a Flemish Giant stud bunny who spawned a dozen extra large Heritage Breed meat stock hybrids. It was a whole lot of bludgeoning, decapitating, skinning, and gutting. It seemed like a disproportionate amount of work to be doing to get meat, so I said "fuck it", and now I just buy bulk from local organic farmers. I love vegetarian food and could totally get by on beans, rice, and curry, but I don't want to deprive my little boys of red meat. What kind of provider would that make me? I'm a lazy fucking hypocrite...Dudeist in my convictions but "Walterist" (love that term, A-D!) in my actions. McDonalds is just too tempting and besides, there ain't no In-N-Outs up here. Fuck that, dudes! Have you ever been with a lactating woman when she’s got a blocked milk duct? Picture having to take a really big piss but first you’ve got to knead a deep swollen obstruction all the way down your johnson with your fingers.
And having to regularly use a breast pump so you didn’t dry up? That ain’t fun either. My ex was convinced that Viking men could lactate but she could never find her source to prove it to me. Anyone else ever heard of breastfeeding Vikings? Aw, look at me…I’m ramblin’ again.
I just wanted to thank the El Lamarino for his thoughtful reply. I never read any of these replies until I noticed this in the Most Discussed column today. And for the record I agree with not eating our fellow mammals (mostly for ecological reasons for myself). But it is a standard that I’ve never lived up to. I had McDonalds yesterday, for Maude’s sake!
To get back to what Brother Art was saying about 7 comments back, I too once dabbled in raising and butchering my own meat. I had two female New Zealand White rabbits and a Flemish Giant stud bunny who spawned a dozen extra large Heritage Breed meat stock hybrids. It was a whole lot of bludgeoning, decapitating, skinning, and gutting. It seemed like a disproportionate amount of work to be doing to get meat, so I said “fuck it”, and now I just buy bulk from local organic farmers.
I love vegetarian food and could totally get by on beans, rice, and curry, but I don’t want to deprive my little boys of red meat. What kind of provider would that make me? I’m a lazy fucking hypocrite…Dudeist in my convictions but “Walterist” (love that term, A-D!) in my actions. McDonalds is just too tempting and besides, there ain’t no In-N-Outs up here.

]]> By: DudeColt http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-634 DudeColt Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:20:38 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-634 HA HA HA true that DL. HA HA HA true that DL.

]]> By: The Dudely Lama http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-633 The Dudely Lama Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:42:58 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-633 although, it would save us a trip down to ralph's when we wanted a white russian and were out of half-and-half! although, it would save us a trip down to ralph’s when we wanted a white russian and were out of half-and-half!

]]> By: DudeColt http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-632 DudeColt Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:14:41 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-632 Well DL scientist just don't know but there are generally two main schools of thought on male nipples. One is that they are vestegial (like an appendix) and that they had some use way back when whereas the other main idea is that they are a shared trait with femailes like organs, limbs, etc. We men, however, do not have the estrogen level to produce milk. (Thank the Dude for THAT one). Well DL scientist just don’t know but there are generally two main schools of thought on male nipples. One is that they are vestegial (like an appendix) and that they had some use way back when whereas the other main idea is that they are a shared trait with femailes like organs, limbs, etc. We men, however, do not have the estrogen level to produce milk. (Thank the Dude for THAT one).

]]> By: The Dudely Lama http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-631 The Dudely Lama Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:41:29 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-631 bon appetit dude colt. only, using that logic, (presuming you're a guy) what are your nipples for? bon appetit dude colt.

only, using that logic, (presuming you’re a guy) what are your nipples for?

]]> By: DudeColt http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-630 DudeColt Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:49:22 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-630 You guys are all way too uptight about this. Any dentist can point out that just like bears and several other omnivores we as people are supposed to eat meat. If you look in your mouth you will notice you have molars for grinding plant matter and canines for tearing meat. Now excuse me while I go digest an animal. Peace dudes! You guys are all way too uptight about this. Any dentist can point out that just like bears and several other omnivores we as people are supposed to eat meat. If you look in your mouth you will notice you have molars for grinding plant matter and canines for tearing meat. Now excuse me while I go digest an animal. Peace dudes!

]]> By: naturedude http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-405 naturedude Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:56:36 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-405 Great question and great article. I've wondered about this myself - did the Dude eat meat - we know he drank half and half so he was no vegan at least and I do agree that the reason he did not partake in the old In and Out (loved you reference to Clockwork Orange by the way!)was because he was emotionally distraught and did not have an appetite. As a Nature dude I grew up hunting and fishing and ate a lot of critters I did in with a hook and bullet. So, here is my test for the true meat eater - could you have killed it, gutted it, skinned it, chopped it up and cooked it yourself? If your answer in no, perhaps consider being a vegetarian because you are relying on someone else to do the dirty work which isn't saving you any Karma in my mind. For instance I don't eat lamb very often - I like it but I really don't think I could do in a little lamb and veal is just raised in a way that is disgusting to me so I don't eat it at all. Cows have been beating up on the land for years but they are so damn tasty what is a guy to do? I go through bouts of not eating beef just from an environmental perspective.So, if everyone was veggy yeah the earth would be better off but one of the first things people do when they're societies reach a higher standard of living is to eat more meat. So, Like the Lama said, meat ain't going away in the big picture. If you think your individual contribution matters or if it matters to you then make the break from meat. Me, I'll keep straddling the line and try to eat the right critters, if I can afford to- those raised humanely and cleanly. Great question and great article. I’ve wondered about this myself – did the Dude eat meat – we know he drank half and half so he was no vegan at least and I do agree that the reason he did not partake in the old In and Out (loved you reference to Clockwork Orange by the way!)was because he was emotionally distraught and did not have an appetite.
As a Nature dude I grew up hunting and fishing and ate a lot of critters I did in with a hook and bullet. So, here is my test for the true meat eater – could you have killed it, gutted it, skinned it, chopped it up and cooked it yourself? If your answer in no, perhaps consider being a vegetarian because you are relying on someone else to do the dirty work which isn’t saving you any Karma in my mind. For instance I don’t eat lamb very often – I like it but I really don’t think I could do in a little lamb and veal is just raised in a way that is disgusting to me so I don’t eat it at all. Cows have been beating up on the land for years but they are so damn tasty what is a guy to do? I go through bouts of not eating beef just from an environmental perspective.So, if everyone was veggy yeah the earth would be better off but one of the first things people do when they’re societies reach a higher standard of living is to eat more meat. So, Like the Lama said, meat ain’t going away in the big picture. If you think your individual contribution matters or if it matters to you then make the break from meat. Me, I’ll keep straddling the line and try to eat the right critters, if I can afford to- those raised humanely and cleanly.

]]> By: The Dudely Lama http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/comment-page-1/#comment-336 The Dudely Lama Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:52:39 +0000 http://dudespaper.com/dear-dudely-3.html/#comment-336 you make a good point, kothlim. except that a lot of "natural" things aren't really that great, from the modern point of view. rape, for instance is a totally natural thing that occurs all the time in the animal kingdom and was a "natural" part of many pre-civilized societies. also, polygamy is totally natural in the animal kingdom and prehistorical societies, but something that most modern societies have made illegal. in many ways human beings are no longer really natural in the true sense of the word. however, it's really a matter of priority - is meat-eating one of the natural drives that we should strive to overcome, or is it not really a big deal? it's a complex issue and that's why people feel polarized about it. which parts of our nature do we leave alone and which parts do we attempt to change? i'm with the arch dudeship on this one - i think the dude was primarily a fish eater. some kind of eastern thing. kind of bowls down the center of the issue. you make a good point, kothlim. except that a lot of “natural” things aren’t really that great, from the modern point of view.

rape, for instance is a totally natural thing that occurs all the time in the animal kingdom and was a “natural” part of many pre-civilized societies. also, polygamy is totally natural in the animal kingdom and prehistorical societies, but something that most modern societies have made illegal. in many ways human beings are no longer really natural in the true sense of the word.

however, it’s really a matter of priority – is meat-eating one of the natural drives that we should strive to overcome, or is it not really a big deal? it’s a complex issue and that’s why people feel polarized about it. which parts of our nature do we leave alone and which parts do we attempt to change?

i’m with the arch dudeship on this one – i think the dude was primarily a fish eater. some kind of eastern thing. kind of bowls down the center of the issue.

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